David Icke and Zen Gardner Talk Challenges and Solutions for the World Today

So What Can I Do - David Icke Zen Gardner World Challenges Solutions

By Kim Kamala Ekman

Guest Writer for Wake Up World

So what can I do?

Kim Kamala Ekman is a concerned working mother of three who wanted to bring the big picture together, making important information about our world easily accessible for all. The result is an new book, So What Can I Do? Answers from inspired researchers about the world today”in which 14 important questions about our world today are answered by researchers and truth-seekers David Icke, Zen Gardner, Sofia Smallstorm, Ken O’Keefe, Kerry Cassidy, Ole Dammegard, Kevin Barrett, and Cynthia McKinney.

In this article, excerpted from the book, David Icke discusses the challenges we face in the world today, and Zen Gardner offers ideas on regaining trust in the future and acting to make positive change.

How do you see the world today in terms of the challenges facing us?

David Icke: Well, I think we’re at the point where the immovable object is starting to look into the eyes of the irresistible force. The immovable object is the system which thinks it’s immovable, but it isn’t. It’s increasingly coming face to face with the irresistible force, which is irresistible.

That’s this energetic awareness… consciousness change… that is awakening people to their own slavery. My experience anyway when I was talking earlier about the people in the dark-suit professions, as I call them, are beginning to question their lives and question their perceptions and question what life’s all about.

That is what I called, years ago, The Truth Vibrations. It’s this reevaluation going on in this re-evaluation, although they might not use these words. It’s an evaluation that leads them to the conclusion that they are actually a slave. It’s like I say the most important thing that we can first of all conclude, before we’re ever going to do anything about it. So we’re at the point now where this system of control, which is essentially controlled and centrally dictated, has been moving on and on and on and on through history and grasping more and more power. It’s been grasping more and more power at the centre in all areas of our lives.

When you think about a few controlling the many, an absolute prerequisite to that is to centralize decision making… centralized power. Because the more points of decision making there are, the less control any few at the centre are going to have over those decisions.

What we’ve seen throughout history and I would strongly contend that there has been a force and still is behind this throughout history… with people that have been born and died, and generations have come and generations have gone. I would contend very strongly that there is a common force and theme through all of this which is directing human society very clearly, closer and closer to total control, to do what they have to… to centralize power.

So we went from a tribal situation, and when the people in the tribe were making decisions about the tribe. Then the tribes came together, a lot of them came together into what we call nations. Now a few people at the centre of the nation are dictating to all the former tribes. Now certainly in Europe, but worldwide, too with unions and so-called trade agreements, we are bringing those nations together under centralized dictatorship. I mean the European Union is a classic example of that, where a few dark suits in Brussels are in effect dictating to the whole of Europe… dark suits in Brussels who are bureaucrats and administrators and dark suits elsewhere, in Frankfurt that run and control the European Central Bank.

So if you look at the word globalization, that is just a word to describe this process of incessant centralization of control and power that I’ve been talking about that has spanned the generations. Now whether it’s corporations, whether it’s banks, whether its governments, militaries… increasingly with NATO and such like… the more and more we’ve got the centralization of control over every area of our lives. And it’s becoming more and more centralised by the day through these trade agreements which are giving more power to corporations than governments, which are supposed to represent the people. So this has been going on. What’s also happened is we’ve had more and more centralization of control in law enforcement to these various levels, be it police, or be it the military.

This control system with the wealth and control going into fewer and fewer hands… that status quo being held together and protected by law enforcement that’s ever more draconian… has been a process that is being coldly calculated, that you can follow through the generations to present day, getting more and more centralized and more and more centralized power all the time.

We have reached a point now where the irresistible force is starting to awaken people. Never before, certainly in known human history, have anywhere near enough yet, but never in known human history in my view, have as many people as there are today started to see the game. Starting to see what’s happening and starting to see the techniques of manipulation and perception manipulation that manipulate humanity to accept changes that lead on this direction that I’m talking about. That’s what I mean by the irresistible force of coming face to face with the immovable object, which isn’t immovable, just thinks it is.

So we’re at this big fork in the road where people have the choice between slavery and freedom, between going on the way that we have been, going on along this process that I’m talking about, into what is planned by these very strange people… to be something [about which] George Orwell would have said, ‘I didn’t realize it would be this extreme.’ Or we can awaken. Not just to the nature of what is happening and why. But most important, we can awaken to the true nature of who we are, which is consciousness.

Question everything

One of the most important parts of this… what I call perception deception… is to manipulate people and program people to perceive everything only through the five senses. The five senses are the great illusion, and if people experience and perceive the world only through the five senses, the system’s got them. Because in the books over the years and in the talks that I’ve done, I’ve never talked about the conspiracy to enslave humanity without talking about the nature of reality and the nature of who we are. Because unless you talk about both, there is a massive imbalance… because one is an expression of the other.

It’s the ignorance of the nature of reality and the ignorance of the true nature of self that has allowed the slavery to happen. Where we are enslaved, we’re enslaved in the prison of the five senses. People should look at this process I’ve talked about of so-called education… they should look at the media. They should even look at science… what passes for it… and ask themselves, “Why? …when we are supposedly at the cutting edge of human awareness and capable of this so-called amazing technology.”… actually it’s the Stone Age really, but the so-called amazing technology. Why is it that if you stopped people almost anywhere in the world and said, “Who are you, and where do you come from?” they would probably… most of them… give you their name and tell you where they live. Others might tell you a tale related to the religion they follow.

But… and if they follow the mainstream science… they might say, “I’m just a cosmic accident, [and] after threescore years and ten I disappear into non-existence.”

What I’m saying here is why is it that the nature of reality is virtually not discussed in the schools… virtually not discussed in the media? I mean look at all the channels there are now, television channels all over the world. You go to America you can flick through for an hour and still not run out of them. You see programs and channels for virtually everything you can think of. But how rarely do you ever see any exploration of the nature of reality beyond the mainstream scientific version of reality. And yet when you take the trouble, take the choice to delve into the evidence that exists even in the most more open-minded end of mainstream science, quantum physics and suchlike, you realize that this so-called physical solid reality is an illusion.

I’ve been saying for years that this world that we perceive as a solid physical world actually only exists when we decode it into existence. People have looked at me, “You’re mad!” Yet very recently just a few weeks ago, there was a mainstream science study which concluded… in their way of describing it… that the world that we see only exists when we look at it. When we’re not looking at it, it’s in a different form to that solid world that we see when we are looking at. The word I’ve used over the years is not when we look at it, and decode it, it’s our attention that decodes it.

So you say to people, “OK, this is a real world, right?”


“So, it’s solid.”

“Yeah, yeah of course it is, look… solid wooden table.”

Then you say, “Well, quantum physics has actually shown that it is not”…

Because there is no physical, it’s an illusion. Not only that, the human visual perception range is so tiny, what we call visible light… it’s almost laughable. So we are living apparently in a solid world that provably can’t be solid. And we are seeing a sliver of frequency that we can decode into what we perceive as a physical world… it is actually holographic illusory physical. So I say then again to people, “Here you are in a world that seems solid, but it isn’t.” I would say there are a few questions there for a start.

The world that you think you are seeing… the world in which you think you are… seeing everything in the space you appear to be observing… is a frequency range so tiny it’s hysterical. Mainstream science says that the electromagnetic spectrum is 0.005 % of what they believe to exist in the universe in mass and energy and all that stuff. Yet some say it’s a bit more but not much. The visible light which is all that we can actually perceive as this reality we see, is a fraction of the 0.005 %. So let’s look at that and let’s be just a little bit humble and a little bit sensible, and ask ourselves, “How can we be so sure that our perceptions that we’ve grown up with, of self, of life, of reality of everything, have an unshakable validity, an unquestionable validity?” …when the world you experience as solid, isn’t solid, and the amount of reality that you can actually see and perceive is so ridiculously small. For a start, if that’s the real world, well, it isn’t very real to me.


So again it’s an extraordinary part of this perception program that, given all these things, that people can still be so certain and so immovable… that what they believe and perceive which is what they have been programmed to perceive and believe by this process of what we call life. How they can be so certain and immovable about it is ridiculous from anyone looking on. So the question is “Why does almost everyone do it?”

Well, it’s because it’s a program. Why does this computer in front of me now respond… when I press Enter … in the way I know it’s going to respond? If I put data into it and I press Enter, I know before I do how it’s going to respond. Why, because it’s programmed to do so. When I observe the world, it doesn’t matter, almost doesn’t matter what culture, what race, what background. If you put the data in, you put people in a certain situation, you can pretty much press Enter and you’re going to know how they’re going to respond. It’s wherever I look, whether it’s human response, human emotional response, whether it’s this process of cradle-to-grave sequence I talked about earlier. Whether it’s cycles, whether it’s the cycles of the animal world or the cycles of species, they’re all programs. This then comes to something else when you look at the way animals live and the way humans live. They’re basically the same.

When I see the madness around me, I feel hopeless. Can you suggest some ways that would help me regain my trust in the future and how to make a positive change?

Zen Gardner: I say, get active. As you’re learning about what’s going on, share and interact with other people. It’s really important to bring these things to light. You’ll face ridicule and you’ll face naysayers and all the rest, but that also helps you get over your self image, because that’s what holds people back so much. They want to be part of a certain way, and they think they’re supposed to act a certain way, or they’re not being their old selves… people make fun of them.

Well, in some cases, change your friends, if that’s the case, or change your location. But the most important thing is let yourself change organically, and that’s what’s happening, but by sharing with other people, and getting it out even online.

My quote on my website today is – I forget where I read it and so I put it as anonymous – but it says: “It only takes a few moments to share an article, but the person on the other end who reads it might have his life changed forever.” And that goes for anything, it could be a hug or a smile, it could be a “thank you”. It could be anything. But we live our lives… the love just starts coming out, and you can’t help it. Because love takes action, you know. [As] they say, “Pity feels it, but compassion takes action.”

So sharing information, I think, is really important. Start a website, write, do music, be an artist, create. Get involved in your community activities or start your own activity. I talk to people at the checkout stand all the time and talk to people in the elevators, even just to break the ice and get the ball rolling. I’ll drop a little bit about this or that, and I’ve found a way to people in the most obscure places, just by putting a little feeler out. I make a little comment about the banks or some little comment anybody can agree on. You can tell by their response. If you’re like some people, who just go, “Yeah man, I can’t take this anymore,” and then you got a big conversation, and it happens like that. If one person talks to two people, and two people talking to four, we’re talking eight… the whole world would be covered in a matter of days by a mathematical progression.

So it’s really a question of uncorking and living that life. Really find each other, I think, that’s the most empowering thing when you find people of like mind.

So What Can I Do?: Answers from inspired researchers about the world today.

So What Can I Do - Kim Ekman

If you’re looking for straight-forward answers from heavy-weight researchers about what’s really going on in the world today, and ideas on what you can do about it, this book is for you. So What Can I Do?” brings the big picture together, with respected researchers and truth-seekers David Icke, Zen Gardner, Sofia Smallstorm, Ken O’Keefe, Kerry Cassidy, Ole Dammegard, Kevin Barrett and Cynthia McKinney answering 14 important questions about our world today.

With knowledge on your side, you can step out of fear and into a new level of awareness, filled with peace, joy, love and light.

So What Can I Do? is available on Amazon in kindle and paperback editions, and here on Barnes & Noble.

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